california is an example. maine and mississippi, mississippi of all states has become a model for how to reduce numbers of people held in solitary confinement. this is under a republican governor and legislature in maine actually. this is something that where people who are wanting to make reform to save costs. because at least in connecticut it's 44,000 to hold a person in regular prison. it's $100,000 to hold them in solitary confinement. the impulse to reduce costs can align with will rather than simply punish them. we'll see pockets of change around the country that will continue to grow as long as we share stories with this. >> i want to give you the last word. if there are folks with loved ones incarcerated, what do we immediate to mow? >> i think that people don't realize when we talk about partnerships with the educational courses, we think of vasser, sunni sullivan, but the department of corrections in new york is a partner in this. we could not be doing all of this amazing work without the department